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Will the same apply to drills and springs?
Don’t forget plumbing parts, which are even easier to use to make firearms with than 3d printers:
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So also any tools for soldering or welding are also right out as they could make it a more effective weapon. Until somebody builds one with sharkbite type connectors, then other things like rubber gaskets and sealant as well.
Though I’m surprised they haven’t gone after CNC milling equipment yet, but they are going after 3d printers…
I guess after this proves futile, next step is to make it hard to produce gunpowder, so urine will need to be regulated…
But what will you do when it becomes illegal to drink water in New Jersey and then take a piss in New York?
Seems to be where most New Yorkers are fleeing at the moment. No income tax.
The subject of the comment to which you’re replying is “Florida”, so I’m guessing Florida.

Will the same apply to drills and springs?
Don’t forget rubber bands! Those bastards sting!

If nothing continues to be done about gun violence in this country, yes, expect that and much worse and even less sensical.
You’re correct. The first thing that needs to be done is responsible reporting. Next would be for people to stop lying their asses off about gun violence.
According to the CDC [jhu.edu] there were 48,117 total gun deaths in the US in 2022. Almost 30k were suicides.So over 56% of all firearm deaths were Suicide. Not murders, mass shootings, etc. 372 were accidents, 649 were by law enforcement. That leaves 19592 homicides and 411 undetermined. We’ll lump the 311 in with homicides and call it 20,003 homicides. So 41% of gun deaths were homicides in 2022. Unfortunately this figure also includes any self defensive use of a firearm as well.
Additionally, the CDC classifies “children” as age 19 and below. I’m too lazy and it’s late, so I don’t feel like looking it up, but the number of gun deaths of kids under 13 is less than 400 per year for any given year, including accidents. Regardless, when any politician brings up the number one cause of death for children, they almost always say it’s children under 18. Yet they include the stat of 4590 in 3033 which includes 18 and 19 year olds.
The FBI breaks things down by type of firearm. [fbi.gov] This was the first link I found, so it only goes to 2019. But if you look at the firearm type used, the number of homicides that used a rifle are under 400 per year. Those “evil assault weapons” are a subset of this number. The total number of homicides that occurred using a rifle of any kind amounted to less than 3% in any given year. And “assault weapons” are a tiny subset of those. On any given year, twice as many people are killed by hands and feet as all rifles combined. Knives kill 5 times )or more) people compared to all rifles combined. “Assault weapons” bans are stupid. People are afraid of a big black gun, because feelings. Not facts or reality.
The reality is that most firearm homicides are gang related and it’s ages 15 to 25ish. The CDC was forced to remove their statistics regarding the defensive use of guns as it was 60.000 to 2.5 million per year. I also find they way guns are blamed for homicides and not the person. But when a gun is used defensively, the person wielding the gun always gets the credit. Something is backwards. I dont see here.
Oops, I accidentally hit submit before I was done.. I just want to add that The US ranks 64th out of 97 countries per capita for mass shootings [cusersdoug…89010-1pdf] Switzerland, Norway France and Finland all have more people killed in mass shootings per capita. We have more of a reporting problem than a gun problem in the US.
The supreme court has ruled at least twice now that the job of the police is to investigate and arrest criminals, not protect citizens. The police cruisers may say “protect and serve” but that’s not what
20,000 / year is over 1600 / month. There was something else that killed around 1500 people a little over 20 years ago that our government spent a few trillion dollars on and mobilized a few 10s of thousands of troops to combat. Maybe we should think about spending 1% on a problem that’s killed over 100x as many people in the same time frame

That leaves 19592 homicides and 411 undetermined. We’ll lump the 311 in with homicides and call it 20,003 homicides. So 41% of gun deaths were homicides in 2022. Unfortunately this figure also includes any self defensive use of a firearm as well.
It really takes some special kind of ignorance to claim 20,000 homicides is a good thing.

The US has approx 6.8 homicides per 100,000 people. That’s the same as Russia and only worse than Yemen. The next highest developed nation is New Zealand at 2.6 per 100,000 (also known for it’s lax gun laws), Canada at 2.1 (again, fairly lax gun laws), Finland at 1.6 (also pretty lax with the gun laws). France with 1.1… The first nation with restrictive gun laws is Scotland with 1.1 per 100,000, just ahead of the U
and takeing an 3D Printer across state lines = felony?
Depends on which state and if you filed your 5320.20 in time and got it approved…

My thoughts exactly. Dam, these DumAsCraps are getting weirder by the hour.
While you’re calling people dumb, one should note that this is a state law, not federal, so wouldn’t apply in other states regardless of anything else. Furthermore, it’s restricts the sale/purchase but not the ability to possess one.
It’s a stupid law anyway (like most gun ‘control’ laws are), given that 90% metal blanks are just shy of trivial to machine and then you have a durable, metal lower receiver instead of something 3d printed that’ll probably work…for a while. Maybe. Moreso, I have to wonder h
Fertilizer and diesel. That makes for a potent explosive. TImothy Mcveigh used some to level an FBI building.
Will that be unlawful to possess now?
CASH. It’s used to commit a lot more crime than gunzezez (“ghost” or not). Most often in New York and New Jersey, where corruption is rampant. Will the representatives from our east coast mafia states make CASH illegal?
What a bunch of performative shits.
due to shoplifting home depot will need an ID to enter the store.

Fertilizer and diesel. That makes for a potent explosive. TImothy Mcveigh used some to level an FBI building.
Yes: sales of those are already tracked, as a result of that domestic terror attack.
Also, didn’t they start putting something (micro pellets?) in fertilizer to help figure out where it was distributed from (so you can look at boom residue and figure out how to match it to the sale?)
the purchase of diesel fuel is entirely unmonitored (unmonitored is NOT a word? Interesting.)
The purchase of fertilizer is mostly unmonitored unless you are purchasing large quantities at once.
They do have small pieces of plastic in the fertilizer that identify which batch of fertilizer the explosives came from. This allows them to trace chain of custody. That means you can buy small amounts of fertilizer from numerous places to get enough to build a bomb without notice, but considering the fact that you ar
It’s a certain kind of fertilizer, ammonium nitrate that can be used as an explosive… a whole warehouse of the stuff exploded in Lebanon a few years ago.
Ever since the Oklahoma City bombings, Ammonium nitrate has been heavily restricted and essentially phased out in favor of other, less-volatile nitrogen fertlizers such as Urea and Urea Ammonium Nitrate (UAN 28), which require some additional steps to turn into an explosive. You have to really look to find old-fashioned ammonium nitrate pellets and retailers ask questions when you do.
But besides that the fact that it is so volatile means it’s not used much anymore other good, safer, options.
“Fix my print: is the barrel supposed to curve like this?”
“Can someone help me with the layer adhesion on my stock?”
“Will dual Z-screw plus frame extensions help my Ender 3 print this rifle?”
Honestly… This guy has no idea how much the average person struggles to even print a benchy (that’s a toy boat model, for you FBI snoops) on a $150 printer. There is no way an Ender3 clone could print out any functional gun parts without an EXPERT tuning all the settings and filament choices. And if your an expert in printing high precision parts, you aren’t wasting your time on cheap printers.

“Fix my print: is the barrel supposed to curve like this?” “Can someone help me with the layer adhesion on my stock?” “Will dual Z-screw plus frame extensions help my Ender 3 print this rifle?”
Honestly… This guy has no idea how much the average person struggles to even print a benchy (that’s a toy boat model, for you FBI snoops) on a $150 printer. There is no way an Ender3 clone could print out any functional gun parts without an EXPERT tuning all the settings and filament choices. And if your an expert in printing high precision parts, you aren’t wasting your time on cheap printers.
3D printers have gotten crazy good lately. I remember struggling with one of the first available hobby printers (a RepRap I think), and it was a challenge to print anything to completion. Not anymore. With some modern printers, you scan the barcode on the spool of filament and the software and printer are automatically set with the right parameters for that material. My last printer (a Prusa) was plug and play, set up, turn on, load filament and print. The first print came out flawless (it was a Benchy)

My last printer (a Prusa) was plug and play, set up, turn on, load filament and print. The first print came out flawless (it was a Benchy).
Name a Prusa that you can get for $150 new and you might have a point. But the smallest Prusa printers start at $400+ and I bet yours cost you $800 or more–which is over 5 times the $150 cost this legislation is targeting. And that’s not even taking into account that precision parts would probably need to be printed in enclosed printers and high-strength filaments to avoid warping.
I think my point stands: $150 3d printers are not a valid target for gun legislation.
I’m not the only one! I literally could not get the Creality I bought to print anything. I ended up returning it. After much research, I think that a filament warmer/feeder wasn’t working right.. But, I can’t tell you how much time it took to get to that point. I’m sure some 13 yr old kid could school me in what I should have been doing or how to do basic tasks like cut this part out of a “drawing” and print it, but I don’t have one of those.
If I were in need of a gun, I know exactly where mine ar
This is slashdot… I’m not going to waste time reading the whole summary and getting my facts straight before I respond!
Not to mention it doesn’t really matter as far as my argument goes: guy, gal, or whatever they identify as, the fact still stands that they are proposing needless infringement on the freedoms of citizens in the misguided hope of catching hardened criminals.
All I know is what a gunsmith said to me, based on professional opinion but without experimental data.
She didn’t think a 3-D printed barrel would be up to the job.
If they’re passing proof tests now, never mind.
The magic word is “delamination.”
Unlike metal which conspicuously wanders out of its elastic regime or doesn’t, 3d prints don’t have an elastic regime, and just because it fires the first shot doesn’t mean it won’t cripple you for life on the second.
The whole concept of “ghost guns” is absolutely filled with cop math. Regular guns with the serial number filed off get lumped into “ghost guns” as do ones with home-milled lowers. The danger of 3D printed guns effectively zero. If this bill was in any way trying to deter the construction of illegal guns it would try controlling mills and drill presses rather than 3D printers.
According to TFA:
“The bill defines a three-dimensional printer as a âoedevice capable of producing a three-dimensional object from a digital model.â
Umm, that sounds like a CNC mill to me….

According to TFA: “The bill defines a three-dimensional printer as a âoedevice capable of producing a three-dimensional object from a digital model.â
Umm, that sounds like a CNC mill to me….
Or a CNC lathe, or a skilled human with drills and files and chisels, or….
When guns are illegal, only criminals will have power tools.

The whole concept of “ghost guns” is absolutely filled with cop math. Regular guns with the serial number filed off get lumped into “ghost guns” as do ones with home-milled lowers. The danger of 3D printed guns effectively zero. If this bill was in any way trying to deter the construction of illegal guns it would try controlling mills and drill presses rather than 3D printers.
But something must be done! Think of the children! Think of the election! We are out in front on this, making you safer!
(TM)

The whole concept of “ghost guns” is absolutely filled with cop math. Regular guns with the serial number filed off get lumped into “ghost guns” as do ones with home-milled lowers. The danger of 3D printed guns effectively zero. If this bill was in any way trying to deter the construction of illegal guns it would try controlling mills and drill presses rather than 3D printers.
Mills, drill presses, and steel tubing. Steel tubing probably the biggest one to knock off the pedestal. Anybody buying pipes made of anything other than copper or plastic should be suspect! NO COMPROMISES! Never mind that you could also be building a bicycle, a motorcycle, a race car frame, a sculpture. It *CAN* be used for nefarious purpose? YOU SHALL NOT PASS!
This whole thing just strikes me as a weirdly inept power grab. Though I’m not sure what power they’re trying to grab. I wonder if the people pushi

And that’s the bizarre part. Instead of regulating the hard-to-manufacture critical components of the gun such as the barrel (as is done in pretty much every other country), it’s the relatively easy to machine (or print) frame or lower receiver which is regulated. And of course that can never change because 2nd amendment, so the regulate 3D printers instead?!
If the law were challenged on the basis of the Second Amendment, it would be struck down, as the Constitution definitely protects the right of individuals to manufacture firearms. But this is probably going to be more of a First Amendment issue, like regulating printing presses. Or perhaps something related to the Commerce powers. In any event, it’s going to be struck down as soon as it’s enforced. It’s ridiculous. But it’s not bizarre that politicians would try to do something idiotic like this.
That’s implied. The right to keep and bear is meaningless otherwise. SCOTUS is rather clear on the rights to things required to get arms.

as the Constitution definitely protects the right of individuals to manufacture firearms.
Kindly cite your source because the Constitution says no such thing:

A well regulated Militia….
You see the words written there, but you completely fail to understand their meaning. (To the point where I suspect you are just trolling.)

Some people have printed functioning barrels for .22lr rounds. “Functional” meaning that it fired a few times without failing, but using it carries the risk of having to pick bits of plastic out of your face later.
I haven’t seen any 3-D printed barrels, only DIY machining your own from round bar with something like a lathe. It’s not just the 50kpsi or so created in the barrel, the temperatures and low modulus of elasticity of plastics compared to steels means the barrel would have to be insanely thick to not just blow open and even still it’s going to be a gooey melted mess. Just a traditional zip gun is probably more effective and a bad one doesn’t need expensive machine tools.
These 80% kits don’t (or didn’t, they may have closed that recently) need to be registered as a firearm.
As of now, they do [cnn.com]. The Supreme Court unanimously bitch slapped the 5th Circuit judges who ignored the previous ruling which said the administration could continue to regulate these kits as firearms until cases work their way through the lower courts. The 5th Circuit felt they didn’t have to follow what the Supreme Court said, and this is the result.
Yes but the good ones include like a parts kit of real guns.
Like barrel and lock even aren’t a “gun” in usa. In most countries you can’t just buy most parts to make a gun without them being gun but in usa you basically just have to print the part that holds the gun parts which would have the serial and not the parts that hold pressure while firing.
This legislation is pretty dumb, you can also buy the 3d printer parts without them being a 3d printer.
I haven’t looked in a while, and it was a huge pain sorting fact from fiction even back then, but from what I could tell they were just as likely to blow up in your hand than to fire a bullet and had terrible accuracy (though if you’re close enough that probably doesn’t matter).
While there “are” people trying to print the whole things….the far more common act is to 3-D print, for example, the serialized part of a pistol, usually like a Glock.
This is basically the polymer handgrip and lower section whe
Based on what most hobby 3D printers produce? That’d be a big fat nopers. Banning 3D printers seems more a desperation move, or another in the long list of security theater antics than an attempt to solve an actual problem.
Maybe there’s some super awesome industrial 3D printer that literally nobody outside of some massive corporation would buy that could produce a valid barrel for more than a single test shot, but I can’t believe anyone involved in government is trying to prevent a corporation from doing .
The police can’t “trace ballistics” of jack shit. That whole concept is a bunch of pseudo-science woo. At best it might be able to correlate a bullet having been fired from a particular model of gun. The idea that a bullet can be reliably traced to a particular gun is fantasy. Even when a particular gun model can be identified with ballistic tests those tests can’t reliably differentiate between two individual guns of the same model.
The only way ballistic pattern matching might ever work is if a particular

The only way ballistic pattern matching might ever work is if a particular gun had a defect that left a specific telltale on a bullet
That’s actually what happens over time. There are subtle differences from cartridge to cartridge, even if you exclusively fire the same brand/weight/loading (which nobody does), which over time impart unique wear patterns on the rifling that can absolutely lead to a match with a specific barrel. Even a brand new barrel might have a manufacturing defect that leads to a unique match.
It’s not for nothing that the expression is, “Leave the gun, take the cannoli.”
I mean, any idiot can go to a hardware store and buy the required components to make a zip gun… and you’re far less likely to lose fingers firing it.
We should ban hardware stores.
in second hand 3D printers. I suspect that 3D printers will be at greater risk of theft. Congratulation for trying, how to make it work will be interesting.
Just when you thought politicians couldn’t get more retarded, they still surprise me.
Talk about being so disconnected from reality, not knowing that 3D printers can be built from other 3D printers and parts you can source from practically everywhere. Are they going to start requiring extruders be serialized? Extruder registry?
Fuck these idiots are stupid.
I knows, if we make background checks on them 3D printers we can get rid of them ghost guns. Ya cause they be scary.
Good night, this is stupid. I can’t tell you how useless this will be. This is the same silliness of background checks for firearms. If you’re a bad person, you most likely will not follow the legal way to get the gun.
Did the genius’ try to figure out where they are coming from? Gee I guess I could just buy the 3D printer in another state and ship the ghost gun there.
And the definition of 3D printer is sooo vague. “device capable of producing a three-dimensional object from a digital model.” Every metal shop/mill will not have to have background checks for their metal mills.
Are we going to require a background check before buying a lathe, drill press, milling machine, cnc, etc?
Also, calling a 3D printer a “three dimensional” printer just makes you sound like an idiot. Technically true, but full of yourself and out of touch.

Hobby level gunsmiths have been making un-serialized and untraceable guns for centuries. That’s what gunsmithing is all about. It is perfectly legal in the US.
Not in every state. Not anymore, at least.

Are we going to require a background check before buying a lathe, drill press, milling machine, cnc, etc?
Probably, give it time. I’m honestly surprised this hasn’t happened yet.

Hobby level gunsmiths have been making un-serialized and untraceable guns for centuries. That’s what gunsmithing is all about. It is perfectly legal in the US. It would only be illegal if you sold it to someone else.
Actually, selling it is perfectly legal, too. You just need to “serialize” it, which involves making a mark of almost anything of your choosing. And such “serial numbers” (and the fact that you’re making and selling guns) is not registered or otherwise know to the government.
If you do it enough, though, or if you are advertising and stuff, then you are a gun business, in which case you do need to get involved with the government.
But small amounts of personal manufacture and personal sale: totally legal and

Three-dimensionally printed firearms, a type of untraceable ghost gun, can be built by anyone using a $150 three-dimensional printer
…and a parts kit
3D printed guns, at least the ones that work are actually just 3D printed receivers. The barrel, bolt, etc… are regular, factory made gun parts.
It exploits a loophole in US laws that say that only the lower receiver counts as the “gun”, the rest are just unmarked spare parts. And it turns out that receivers are among the easiest parts to make with a 3D printer. Closing that loophole would make more sense than regulating 3D printers. A full gun could still be made with a home made barrel
A real criminal felon would rather buy a $50 stolen Hi-Point anyway.
Plus this law would be illegal under /Bruen/.
It should be a crime to push unconstitutional legislation.

This feature of the law is not a “loophole” or some kind of accident.

It exploits a loophole in US laws that say that only the lower receiver counts as the “gun”, the rest are just unmarked spare parts. And it turns out that receivers are among the easiest parts to make with a 3D printer.
Fun fact, if you have a milling machine and the necessary expertise — and are making the receiver for yourself, not resale — it’s perfectly legal to mill your own receiver without serial number. You’ll never be able to sell the thing, doing that means serial numbers, ATF registration, and all that jazz, but for private use it’s legal.
being thrown out here with this bath water.
RepRap Darwin still goes brrrrrr
… in the olympics of stupidity
It’s absurdly easy to voice your objection by following the link in summary above.
Write a quick, polite note – it takes minutes.
The party of science, hard at work.
Next up: a background check to purchase metal tubes.
That’s the thing here – most of the people even printing 3d firearms are just genuinely curious nerds. I’ve got a 3d printed Glock clone at home that I’ve made and fired (with 3d printed magazines and a 3d printed holster). I’ve also got plenty of factory made handguns. I didn’t print one to get around any laws I did so because it would be a new little project to do.
Tinkerers gonna tinker.

In 2020, the NYPD recovered 150 ghost guns. In 2021, cops seized 263, and last year, 463 ghost guns were recovered.
Wow, that’s a lot of 3D printed guns… that’s 463 ghost guns out of how many total guns seized in NYC in 2022?

Ghost guns are assembled by people at home, without a background check or license. The parts are bought online or made by 3D printers, and they do not have serial numbers, making them difficult to trace.
Oh look, “Ghost Guns” encompass not only 3D-printed weapons, but also guns assembled from store-bought parts?
I’m curious how keeping 3D printers out of the hands of convicted criminals keeps people from assembling “Ghost Guns”?

“We feel that these individuals with guns in their hand can cause the most damage to New York City,” said Courtney Nilan, who heads the NYPDâ(TM)s Field Intelligence Program.
How? How can Ghost Guns “cause the most damage to New York City”? Most “ghost gun” plantain aware of were for one or two-shot weapons, you can’t “ghost print” a semi-automat

(you can’t 3D print an AR-15 Lower Receiver, that’s the part that feeds ammo into the Upper Receiver to be fired).
Um, yes you can. You’re way out of date on your info.
Google “Orca 3d printed gun”.
You need a barrel and a bolt-carrier group (neither are regulated parts), but the upper, lower, stock, and handguard are all printed.
Major issue here: the 3d printer community is basically a subset of the “maker” community. This is people who like to build things from scratch . . . including 3d printers themselves.
You can build quite a few open source 3d printers from scratch that are perfectly capable of printing a firearm. That also explains a lot of the interest in printing firearms. While some criminals may do this as a loophole a LOT of these people are just curious tinkerers who like designing and making things, including guns.
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In leftist utopia everything not forbidden is compulsory.
About as insightful as banning plastic straws or Big Gulps.
If you have to avoid doing certain things for fear the government will ban them, the problem isn’t the things you’re doing, it’s the government.
Why can’t it be both? There are things you should be able to do without the government banning them that are simultaneously things you shouldn’t be doing.
Making firearms is something you should be able to do, and also something nobody should actually be doing.
If you feel you need a gun and you’re not a hunter or a soldier, you’d do far better to focus on improving your community so you didn’t feel the need for a gun any longer – and when it comes to a potential tyrannical government… becoming a political
You’re a member of the unorganized militia whether you like it or not.

We tried to warn the gun nuts that 3D printing guns wasn’t a protest against gun control, it was a protest for 3D printer control, and now here were are. Great work, geniuses.
Guns don’t kill people, filament does.

In this case I would argue that the 3D printed gun is really a murder weapon: good at damaging humans at close range, while being unsuitable as a hunting weapon.
You only go that far? The world is a dangerous place and we have been fighting everything from nature to fellow humans just to survive. They don’t even allow books in many wards now because the string gets removed to create a makeshift noose. Why should you be allowed dangerous freedoms like books when it’s the gateway object to strangulation? Do you even realize how much string you can make from clothing? Why do I have to live in a dangerous world where you can waltz around in murder gea
If you don’t flinch at the leading cause of child death in the USA
That number is HIGHLY misleading.
They included “children” up to age 19.
If you remove the say…17-19yr olds…you know, the ones that are “gang” age….
Then the remaining (vast majority) of true children’ cause of death, I believe is car accidents and the like….nothing to do with guns.
That number is highly skewed by all the fscking gang-bangers and wannabes out there at the very upper end of that age range.

What’s next? We’re going to require a background check for bow and arrows, or knives?
What’s next after they have finished with pointy objects and sharp objects? Blunt objects obviously. Seems like a no brainer. Literally.
What’s next? We’re going to require a background check for bow and arrows, or knives?
We’re already required to show ID to buy a loaf of bread [weis.com], so why not a background check to buy a knife?
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